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A question of neutrality?
#280132 - Sun Feb 23 2003 07:49 AM
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How does one stay neutral?I have created an Avatar thats supposed to be neutral but so far hes been doing more good than evil at the moment. So I ask all to answer this, what does it mean to be truely neutral? Does it mean having to switch between good and evil to maintain balance or is there another way to be one without upsetting the other?
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There is no right or wrong, just two sides with two differant views and opinions-Squall Lionheart from FF8(not to sure if thats the exact quote but its along those lines).
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Mrrf. Switching sides randomly according to the avatar's whim seems to be the only way to be really neutral... or just staying out of everything entirely (but that's probably not what you want, huh?).As for right and wrong... In my opinion, there is often two "right" sides, but sometimes there -is- a right and a wrong. What the Germans did to the Jews was wrong. What the Japanese did to the Chinese (Nan King and other atrocities) was wrong. Hopefully, that sort of thing isn't too often...
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Staying neutral means, in my opinion, staying neutral. Not switching between good and bad days, but reacting to every single thing in the same way. Hopping between good and evil is a D&D type of neutrality. =)Being truely neutral. Whee, now that's something I don't think is possible. Being truely neutral would mean you could never take any stance, no matter what, but still you'd try to make things 'right', trying to correct those things you see wrong. And with this, you'd actually take a stance, just different from the point of views of good and evil. =)
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one possible means of being "neutral" is to assist both the forces of 'good' AND 'evil' simultaneously. an arms dealer might said to be neutral if he sold weapons of equal power to both sides on a conflict. a country or organization could be said to be neutral if they provided supplies and humanitarian aid to opposing factions. the trick is in aiding (or hindering) both sides in equal measure, so as to not give a greater benefit to either one. i could be said to be neutral, since i weave both happiness and sorrow, good times and bad, into every lifestrand. and in the end, each one meets the shears, regardless of deserved blame or merit.
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Gilgamesh nods, "As the Demi-Lord of Gray(Neutral) Karma I can state my actions are to keep white(good) and black(evil) karma in balance. Without me to keep the balance good and evil would constantly at each others throats and the world would decend into chaos as each tried to overcome the other. Occasionally though I must side with one or the other to bring balance back....some might consider this an evil act if I side with black karma, but the rules of karma is not based on mortal judgement or laws. If you are following Gorgon's Summer RP, you are seeing the Karma Mice do something that has only happened once before in recorded history. To protect the whole of this universes karma and it's laws, they are acting as one to protect and defend those universal rules."
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There is no "Neutral"...Once you do evil and go on that way, then youu are an enemy of good..for that matter, there is no True Evil..All evil can ever be is corrupted good.
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Not to contradict Gilgamesh, but even the esteemed Demi-Lord is not thoroughly neutral. If he was, he wouldn't act to prevent the universe descending into chaos and madness. To be truly neutral you must stand by and observe, making no change in the world. That doesn't mean you can't have opinions, you just can't act on them, or encourage others to act.
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Perhaps your misunderingstanding Gilgamesh, he's neutral karma not neutral as in AD&D.
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Yet another take on how to effectively deal with the issue as it is relevant to a character is to always take the weaker side. If the form of neutrality is a 'preserving balance' variety, then whenever there is some imbalance in ability or strength or such, seek to reduce the imbalance.
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i believe you, also, are mistaking maintaining overall neutrality for a character whose nature is to be neutral.aiding the underdog is not being neutral. it is an active support of whichever group, good or evil, appears to be at a deficit in an apparent conflict. aiding one side in relation to another can hardly be construed as a neutral act. think of a judge if you want something approaching a neutral character. (although impartiality is more their goal, rather than neutrality.) but their job is to listen without prejudice or favor to both sides of an argument, then decide, based on the evidence and testimony provided, which side of the case has greater merit. by finding in favor of one side or the other, they are not actually endorsing the actions of the winning group. they are simply saying that the arguments for their case were more compelling. if a judge finds a defendant guilty, he is not "siding" with good--he's saying that those defending the laws have shown persuasive arguments that the accused did indeed act against the law. similarly, if he finds the defendant innocent, he is not "siding" with evil and rewarding unlawful behavior--he's saying that proof of wrongdoing was insufficient to merit punishment. (and it's quite possible that the defendant actually IS innocent, to boot.)
lachesis
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...for i am the cat that walks by herself, and all things are alike to me...
(with a nod to Mr. Kipling)
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No mistake. Schinopiraph asked hugely broad questions about "How one stays neutral" and "What is neutrality".The latter question, I believe, has a number of answers, depending on the context. I suggested "Yet another take" because that's all it is, another kind of view on neutrality. If it was clear that Schinopiraph was looking specifically at being a character with a neutral nature, yes, certainly, I'd be off topic. The impression I have, however (Schinopiraph, this would be a great impression to clear up!) is that the character is designed to be a neutralizing force, rather than a neutral element. And, of course, which one is intended is vastly important. A neutralizing force would be required to behave as a non-neutral element in order to counteract 'imbalances' (in which sense aiding the underdog, while certainly not being neutral, is acting for neutrality). On the other hand, a neutral element would need in some sense to either be no force whatsoever, or one equally applied in all directions... and if there was an imbalance, a neutral element would end up preserving imbalance. I'm wondering if it's accurate to say that those who have focused on the "Neutralizing-Force" are
Gilgamesh
Mawarra
Dr. Kaylo E
The primarily "Neutral Element" group is
Mishy
Lachesis
Bob the Outcast
With a subset being those who look at net neutrality over time, rather than on each situation:
Tamlin Bowers
And the following remain unsorted
Schinopiraph
Poproxx
Seem accurate so far?
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Original quote Dr. Kaylo B Epsilon
If it was clear that Schinopiraph was looking specifically at being a character with a neutral nature, yes, certainly, I'd be off topic. The impression I have, however (Schinopiraph, this would be a great impression to clear up!) is that the character is designed to be a neutralizing force, rather than a neutral element.
With the way Dr. Epsilon has described neutrality I would have to say that Schinopiraph comes under the heading of neutralising force rather than being a neutral element.
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Open your eyes and you shall see many things but keep them closed and you shall see only what you want to see.
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Life is but a dream, so what happens when the dreamer awakens.
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