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Canadian Politics, eh?
      #643220 - Sun Apr 12 2009 09:52 AM

I demand a thread where we make fun of canadian politics instead of American ones.

Because oh man, we do some ludicrous stuff up here, like the..three federal elections in the past three years, the whole thing in BC where The Liberals are the conservative party provincially, but they're liberal federally, which leads to bizarre things like election commercials where the BC Liberals promise to defend us against Ottawa's Liberals..

Go on, Americans. Ask your questions about our peculiar system. It will be great.
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      #643223 - Sun Apr 12 2009 05:26 PM

So what's the deal with the Québécois, anyhow?
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643227 - Sun Apr 12 2009 07:14 PM

They're french.

They think they're special, and expect everybody will treat them like that.

Cue laughs from all the anglophones.
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      #643228 - Sun Apr 12 2009 07:32 PM

QUEBEC

Okay, to explain quebec, we have to go back in time a bit.

France sends traders over, quebec is formed, they speak french, everything is great. French fur traders keep secret native families, go back and forth, Metis happen. All is well.

Britain and France war with each other, as they're wont to do. British forces take Montreal City, relatively easily. At the time, they're like 'Meh, it's cool, guys, do whatever you want, we're not really *keeping* you, we're just gonna trade you back for something we want later.' So nobody really minded the English 'control'.

Cue the end of the war, when Britain and France are sitting at a table, peace conference.

Britain: 'Okay, so, we want this land back, and we'll give you back Quebec.'

France: Nah, we'll take the sugar islands.

Britain: Nnn..nnonono, Quebec. Remember? Canadian colony, your foray into the--

France: Nah, we're quite good with the sugar islands.

Quebec: What the--

Britain: ...right. Fine. We'll keep Quebec.

Quebec: whaaaaaaat

Britain: OKAY if we're stuck with you you're going to start speaking english goddamnit

Quebec: fffff raaaage >:(

Canada: So, uh, we're gonna make our own country.

Britain: What? ....Okay, fine, whatever, but the Queen will still /technically/ rule it.

Canada: Okay fine whatever

Quebec: WE ARE GOING TO START SPEAKING FRENCH AGAIN DO YOU HEAR ME

Canada: uh okay

Quebec: SERIOUSLY

Canada: no really go right ahead

Quebec: CHRIST IF ANY OF YOU BASTARDS START GETTING ALL UP IN THE ENGLISH

Canada: no really it's cool

Quebec: MAN SCREW YOU GUYS AND YOUR OPPRESSION WE WANT TO SEPARATE

Canada: Um, okay, if you want, but...

Quebec: NO NO YOU STILL HAVE TO GIVE US MONEY

Canada: But you want to be a separate nation because...

Quebec: BECAUSE OF ALL THE ANGLOPHONE OPPRESSION

Canada: ...but you still want money, but none of our anglophone oppression like...

Quebec: THERE IS ENGLISH ON THINGS IN OUR PROVINCE BECAUSE OF YOU

Canada: what is this i dont even

So, yeah, to summarize, Quebec got screwed over a couple times by France and Britain and has never let it go and never will.
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643229 - Sun Apr 12 2009 07:53 PM

Like the Psychopathic killer who murderd you, your family and your friends just because you did'nt share the frizzy cola ice cream back in kindergarten?
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643230 - Sun Apr 12 2009 07:58 PM

No, more like the whiny goth girl who wants to leave home but still wants allowance.
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      #643234 - Mon Apr 13 2009 02:01 AM

Is she cute?
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643314 - Thu Apr 16 2009 11:16 AM

Thalamasa said:
I demand a thread where we make fun of canadian politics instead of American ones.

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Go on, Americans. Ask your questions about our peculiar system. It will be great.



Well, I guess Somali pirates have shown us the problem with prohibiting merchant ships from being armed. It sort of makes them prime targets.

Oh yes, this thread is about Canada, ...right...

Question, is it true that security guards in Canada are prohibited from carrying firearms under Canadian Federal Law? You know, like those who might be protecting merchants?

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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643317 - Thu Apr 16 2009 01:02 PM

Pentagon John said:
Question, is it true that security guards in Canada are prohibited from carrying firearms under Canadian Federal Law? You know, like those who might be protecting merchants?


Actually, carrying arms aboard a ship in Canadian waters would depend on Canadian Admiralty law...

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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643327 - Thu Apr 16 2009 11:42 PM

I am relatively certain that security guards (see: not police) do not have the right to firearms, nor to actually make arrests. Many of them still do, but they can't have guns, that I recall.
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643328 - Fri Apr 17 2009 08:35 AM

Does Canada have the same legal loophole as England where you can own a shotgun but not a pistol?
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      #643353 - Fri Apr 17 2009 01:05 PM

As long as you have them legally registered, you can have either, as far as I know.
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643355 - Fri Apr 17 2009 01:11 PM

Thalamasa said:
I am relatively certain that security guards (see: not police) do not have the right to firearms, nor to actually make arrests. Many of them still do, but they can't have guns, that I recall.


My non-Canadian understanding is that, in order to become a Canadian security guard (that certification is also regulated) one must have experience in handling handguns, as well as be trained as (and have experiences as) a peace officer...in order to be prohibited from being armed. Am I correct?

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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643362 - Fri Apr 17 2009 11:25 PM

BST-1 and BST-2 (Certainly enough to be a security guard for malls, and movie sets and the like) seem to tell you exactly when you're allowed to use a firearm, but you're never actually given one nor are you ever expected to use one, no.
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643371 - Sat Apr 18 2009 06:02 AM

1.)What is Poutine, and why do you eat it?
2.)Do you really have Ketchup flavored chips, and where can I get some?
3.)Is Tim Horton's any good? There's like, a half dozen of em around here in T-Town (That's Toledo.)
4.)Is Canada required to provide any military forces to the UK In times of war that involve England, but not Canada?
5.) Can you get Crisps or other foodstuffs from England? If so, contact me immediately.
6.)Is Weed really legal up there?
7.) Does your Govt. ever actually DO Anything, or do they just nag each other?
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643373 - Sat Apr 18 2009 06:44 AM

As a non-Canadian, I shall offer some quick responses on the matters of greatest urgency.

James Orcist Rayner said:
2.)Do you really have Ketchup flavored chips, and where can I get some?

If you lived in Pennsylvania, you'd already be able to purchase ketchup-flavored potato chips. Exhibit A

James Orcist Rayner said:
3.)Is Tim Horton's any good? There's like, a half dozen of em around here in T-Town (That's Toledo.)

They are the Dunkin' Donuts of the Great Northern Barrier Ice Floe (and not owned by a French company, unlike Dunkin' Donuts).
James Orcist Rayner said:
5.) Can you get Crisps or other foodstuffs from England? If so, contact me immediately.

Everybody knows that the moment a crisp leaves England, a chemical compound stored in the bag causes all of them to dissolve into potato crumbs.
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643374 - Sat Apr 18 2009 06:44 AM

Thalamasa said:
BST-1 and BST-2 (Certainly enough to be a security guard for malls, and movie sets and the like) seem to tell you exactly when you're allowed to use a firearm, but you're never actually given one nor are you ever expected to use one, no.


Well, that's not so very different from here. Security guards in Texas are certified by a state board, and a lot of that certification involves understanding what you can't do. Being able to carry a weapon involves the additional step of becoming certified, which you can't do unless you're already working as a guard. And even then, unless you're a bodyguard, you can only use your weapon in self-defense. A security guard has the same arrest powers as any private citizen, which essentially means you can't arrest anyone unless they're committing a violent felony, in which case you'd be stupid to interfere in the first place, since you're most likely unarmed.

Armed guards are generally only used for jobs where the guard's life may be put in danger, like armored cars or bodyguards. And even there, they're expected to not use their weapons if they can at all avoid it. If a bodyguard can get their protectee out of a situation without using their weapon, they are expected to do just that, for example.

If a company wants security personnel who have police powers, they hire off-duty cops, who wear their police uniforms, not security uniforms, so they are clearly identified as cops.

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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643375 - Sat Apr 18 2009 06:46 AM

Millen Kyles said:
James Orcist Rayner said:
2.)Do you really have Ketchup flavored chips, and where can I get some?

If you lived in Pennsylvania, you'd already be able to purchase ketchup-flavored potato chips.


All I can say is...'Ick!'
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643379 - Sat Apr 18 2009 08:43 AM

Tim Horton's is vile. Their doughnuts have been made in another century and not preserved. I don't get the appeal, I really don't. But they always have the longest line ups at food courts.

And yeah, ketchup chips all over.

As for UK snack food, some specialty stores carry things and Bulk Barn has been importing some UK candy lately.
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643380 - Sat Apr 18 2009 11:18 AM

Poutine is food of the gods. If anybody disagrees, I will stab their neck.
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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643381 - Sat Apr 18 2009 11:47 AM

Senior Fleet Lt. Myra said:
Millen Kyles said:
James Orcist Rayner said:
2.)Do you really have Ketchup flavored chips, and where can I get some?

If you lived in Pennsylvania, you'd already be able to purchase ketchup-flavored potato chips.

All I can say is...'Ick!'

Eh. It's not my favorite (that belongs to sea salt and malt vinegar), but there are definitely times when I'm in the mood for them. Honestly, they don't taste much different than french fries in ketchup - just crispier.
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      #643387 - Sat Apr 18 2009 03:44 PM

James Orcist Rayner said:
1.)What is Poutine, and why do you eat it?
Do you like fries and cheese? Do you like fries and gravy?
Poutine is fries and cheese and gravy. Oftentimes cheese curds, but the primary difference so far as you can tell is 'the cheese is slightly chewy'.
2.)Do you really have Ketchup flavored chips, and where can I get some?
It's been mentioned, but apparently the closer to the Canadian border you are, the easier they are to acquire. If you want to know, they're basically like a slightly milder salt and vinegar with added tomato.
3.)Is Tim Horton's any good? There's like, a half dozen of em around here in T-Town (That's Toledo.)
Tim Hortons is franchised, so it heavily depends. Their quality's gone down a lot recently since they were forced to move to frozen donuts; a lot of their franchisees are suing to get back the right to make fresh donuts.
4.)Is Canada required to provide any military forces to the UK In times of war that involve England, but not Canada?
Far as I know, no. In practice, when was the last time a war involved Canada? 1812?
5.) Can you get Crisps or other foodstuffs from England? If so, contact me immediately.
I know in my city there's a store that primarily sells English candy. Well, /only/ sells English candy. Yes, including those lavender tasting little tart sugar disc thing what the hell.
6.)Is Weed really legal up there
Good question. In most of Canada: For medical use.
In BC: Not yet, but unless you have a grow-op nobody really seems to care. They're working on legalizing it, but most cops refuse to enforce it because it's too common.
?7.) Does your Govt. ever actually DO Anything, or do they just nag each other?
Ah, okay, here's how it works.

Gordon Campbell is the leader of the Liberal party. (The Liberals are conservative by Canadian standards, so they're roughly American left-wing.) He announces some kind of program. In BC, all government programs pretty much consist of two words, capitalized, with no space inbetween. ActionNow, would be a good theoretical example. GreenStart. Stuff like that.

The NDP, the New Democratic Party, who /used/ to be conservative but turned more left-wing as the Liberals became a conservative party (These aren't even the real left-wing party in BC) will immediately complain that the money is not being put to good use, what the hell.

The Green Party (These guys are the left-wing single platform DAMN THE ECONOMY FULL TREES AHEAD types) will bash whichever party is even thinking that people should have money instead of spending it on trees. They're getting scary amounts of support these days, even by my liberal standards.

The program has only been announced. Now he will announce when it will be put into play. Yes, this is a separate press conference. If the Green Party supported the Liberal initiative, the NDP will now complain that it's not happening fast enough. If they didn't, they will redouble that Gordon Campbell only cares about big business.

The next press conference will announce that a later press conference will explain exactly where the program will be utilized. Yes. It is now being preannounced.

A few more conferences later, the program is put into action. It will have its funding slashed in half in a couple years, regardless of what it is. By that time, there will be a new, almost identical program, with a slightly different name. Mention will be made of pillars of BC's foundation, and the like.

Now, on a federal level, the process works like this.

What province are you spending the money on?

If it's Ontario or Quebec, spend the money immediately. Turn to page 117.
If it's a Western province, and Alberta, change the word 'spend' into 'loan with interest'. Turn to page 43.
If it's a Western province that is not Alberta, declare that it is a Provincial-Federal partnership, and foist it on the province to implement itself. Turn to page 26.
If it's the Maritimes, it's not really Canada anyway, spend the money on Quebec.

So, assuming it's Ontario, ol' Harper, our Conservative (note we're around American moderate) will now announce the money. The federal NDP (Which is somehow a different NDP from the Provincial NDP) will now vote against the bill. It does not matter what bill it is. If it is a bill that will give homeless people shoes made out of diamonds, they will vote against it.

Harper will make a few concessions. It will become a more rational, Canada-helping bill. THEN SUDDENLY

Out of nowhere.

Quebec will rush in and demand to know how this benefits Quebec. It doesn't even matter if it's even remotely related to Quebec. They will make their best attempt to stop it from passing unless it somehow helps them. They will find some excuse to throw some money at Quebec.

We are now six months in from when we were originally going to do the thing.

Ontario and/or Quebec has now improved.

Nobody cares about Western Canada, because our votes are meaningless: The bulk of the Canadian population is in Ontario. The Prime Minister is literally decided a few hours before our polls even open up. Good times, man, good times.

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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643388 - Sat Apr 18 2009 04:00 PM

As long as you're answering questions about Canadian culture, I have a question:

Why do you remove the caffeine from Mtn Dew?

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Re: Canadian Politics, eh? new
      #643391 - Sat Apr 18 2009 06:45 PM

Oh christ.

There's...some...bizarre, archaic law on the books that says that any soft drink sold in Canada that contains caffeine must...it's either that it must be brown, or taste like cola. I can't remember which one.

Regardless, Mt. Dew fulfills neither obligation. This is why when you see Amp up here, it is marketed as an 'energy drink'. As was Surge. Energy drinks are not considered by the same laws as soft drinks.
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      #643394 - Sun Apr 19 2009 12:58 AM

Okay, on your highways... and I know this isn't really political... but do you still do that thing where one cop'll be standing beside the road with a radar gun and a radio, then like ten or twenty kilos down there'll be a barricade and only folks that weren't speeding get to pass through; the rest just get mobbed by like twenty cops writing tickets?
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